Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:17:56 -0800 (PST) From: michael watkins Subject: Re: Re: proper nutrition before\after lifting the whey protien will be good regardless of your age. just think of it as a high quality food source thats crushed up in a can. the only reason i recommend it is because it has a high biological rating and is quickly absorbed. if you eat a meal that is solid it will generally take longer to digest and absorb than a power. as far as cost goes the brand i use comes in a 5lbs jug and last me about a month. at $40 a jug thats about $10 a week and i drink on average 2 a day. im sure you can find some more expensive and less, you just got to look around the other reason i suggest it is if your trying to get all of your prot. in in a day it can sometimes be hard to get it all through solid foods alone. with a shake i can get as much as i want and alot more convienent. some people will argue with me,but for post workout nutrition powders and liquids are the way to go. mikew Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:38:54 -0700 From: Milo Champ Subject: Re: Re: proper nutrition before\after lifting > ok wait a minute....whey protien? ive always had doubts about that > stuff..and mind you-Im only 17...should that be out of the question > and UNUSED? and how do you reccommend that i go about the powder > liquid method without the whey protien? and how much damage will it > do to my wallet? Funny that you mention your wallet. Pure Power magazine has a great piece on the different proteins on the market this month. With the review of all the science they did it seems clear that there are differences in the test tube from protein to protein, but in the long run it don't make no difference. So it seems like you can find ways to save money on taking different sorts of proteins. Whey aint the answer. -- Milo From: clarkkent314 [mailto:clarkkent314@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:25 AM To: Strength_List@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Strength_List] Re: proper nutrition before\after lifting ok..i never really thought of that although i shouldve after seeing those damn "ROCKY" movies so many times...anyway-how many eggwhites or measurements of powdered nonfat milk should be used per serving? oh,and are there any other high school football players in this group? thanx-soopaman Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:36:40 -0500 From: "Clauss, Mike" Subject: RE: Re: proper nutrition before\after lifting That all depends on how much supplementation you want to do. I'd say keep your servings around 30 grams of protein. That will make your shake a drinkable size and will help keep you from experiencing the gastrointestinal distress that comes with high doses of protein. I'm sure there are a lot of former HS ball players on the list, most of the current ones are too impatient to sit down and read so they drop off pretty quickly. Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:58:29 -0600 From: Steve Kuykendall Subject: Re: Re: proper nutrition before\after lifting Gram for gram, protein powder is considerably cheaper than whole foods for clean protein. You cannot eat it all the time though, you also need whole foods. /sk Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:03:35 -0600 From: Steve Kuykendall Subject: Re: Re: proper nutrition before\after lifting I have to disagree with Rickey. If you buy a decently priced whey protein poeder, you are not just buying convenience, you are buying cheaper protein than if you look to whole foods, (chicken, tuna, eggs, cottage cheese, etc) Do the math! Even if you pay yourself nothing to prepare the whole foods, powder is cheaper. /sk Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:49:44 -0600 From: "Rickey Dale Crain" Subject: Re: Re: proper nutrition before\after lifting nothing is cheaper than the egg......less than a penny per gram..........and it's p.e.r. is the highest on the planet..........the perfect food at a cheap price.... a good whey protein (and it's p.e.r. is about 3.4-3.8 as compared to egg of 3.6-4.0) costs about.....(even at discounted prices) will cost you about 1 1/2 to 2 cents per gram..... tuna fish is about a penny a gram.........but the quality is not quite as good as the egg protein.........but is still pretty high.... Rickey Dale Crain Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:57:42 -0600 From: Steve Kuykendall Subject: Re: Re: proper nutrition before\after lifting I would agree with you, if you eat the whole egg. The USDA Nutrient Database indicates there are 7.5 grams of fat in one large egg; 67 fat calories for those 3 extra grams of protein. The 1 1/2 to 2 cents per gram you refer to in whey protein is FAT FREE. Even at 5 cents a gram, whey protein is cheaper protein. And no waste. /sk To get 50 grams of protein from whole eggs, you will need eight whole eggs. And a place to cook them. You will also get 800 cals, 540 of which will be fat. Eat up!